MaGiXieN on PSP-3000 HEN Hack.

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Remember the video we posted about a working PSP-3000 hack using gripshift? The hack creator MaGiXien answered some questions on just why the Hen Hack isn’t online yet. And when we are likely to see a Hack. Here’s what MaGiXien from PSPGen.com had to say:

You all have in mind our video showing a PSP 3000 able to run homebrews and ISOs. It seems that some people still don’t understand why this HEN is not online. Explanation.

Since the official firmware 5.03 was released, the Gripshift exploit has been patched. This has allowed for confusion to creep in some people’s head and we have seen a few posts demanding the release of Miriam’s HEN (Homebrew Enabler). Some very pushy, others less, all this post have this in common: the mix-up between the Gripshift exploit and the exploit allowing access to the Kernel Mode, which is essential in order to install what you have seen on the video.

Here are the characteristics of Miriam’s 5.02Hen-A:

Compatible up to firmware 5.02
Compatible with all homebrews
Compatible with ISOs, PSX
Compatible with plug-ins (at least all those that I have tried)
Activation of a recovery mode allowing access to common features (such as switching X and O) not to flash0 (see below)
Since the HEN bypasses flash0 using the MS instead, it is impossible to touch it on the hardware, but it is possible on the MS.
The HEN remains as long as the console isn’t turned off or rebooted.
You must keep the Memory Stick containing the flash files in the MS slot or to copy the files on all used MSs.
You must have the Gripshift UMD in order to launch the HEN.
You cannot update your firmware beyond 5.02

Most frequent comments:

« Because of you Sony has patched the Gripshift exploit with the firmware 5.03 »

Wrong. The Gripshft exploit was found and put online by Matiaz and exploited by Freeplay.
We only carried on with our adaptation for Gripshift Euro.
As soon as the exploit was online, it was granted that a new firmware would come and patch it. It has always been like this (GTA LCS, Lumines) and its release the day after we made our Binary Loader for Euro available is most likely a coincidence.

It’s good for the PSP3000, but is it the same for those with a PSP2000 TA88-v3?

Yes and no. In principal it is exactly the same than with the PSP3000 because their motherboard has the same characteristics. No difference there. Although, there is an alternative for those of you with some “DIY” skills. “All” you need to do is replace your motherboard with a TA88 (v1 or v2) found on the net.

What’s the difference between HEN and eLoader?

Hen is a Homebrew Enabler. It allows homebrews to launch whilst still on official firmware. Miriam’s used two exploits in order to be installed: Gripshift’s (public) and another one (private this time) that allows the activation of the kernel mode, therefore giving access to the flash’s functions.
The eLoader is a program that allows the launch of homebrews that only require user mode to start. It will be launched via the Gripshift exploit and will compatible with all PSPs with firmware up to 5.02. With the help of this program, it will be possible to launch all “user mode” homebrews already existing on PSPs that are not on Custom Firmware. This opens the door to a long list of games, emulators and other utilities. This eLoader will not allow you to launch programs requiring the Kernel Mode like flashers, utilities using the flash or the PSX emulator and ISO launcher. Its release was announced by Fanjita who didn’t specify on the date and asked not to be harassed about it to be able to work in peace.

Sony patched the exploit so give us the thing to launch the homebrews/ISOs (HEN)

This comment is the proof of a complete lack of knowledge on this subject. We’re going to try to be as clear as possible about this.

The Gripshift gamesave exploit allows the launch of a code that doesn’t have the Sony signature even if the PSP is still on Official Firmware. It is with this exploit that it is possible to launch homebrews via the binary loader for Euro or US and it is also it that will allow team Noobz’s future eLoader to launch, which itself will be used to launch homebrews in user mode (see above).
This exploit was patched in the firmware 5.03. As long as a PSP remains with a firmware prior to this one, this exploit will be active. So if you want to enjoy yourself do not update your PSP.
The exploit used by Miriam to access Kernel Mode and install the HEN (Homebrew Enabler) is an exploit qui can not be made public for various reasons. If the current version of the HEN was made available online, which is what a good few are expecting, the kernel exploit used to install it would be patched straight away, like the Gripshift’s one. This Kernel exploit is way more valuable than the Gripshift’s and if Sony was to patch it this could be the end to the VIP access that some underground devs, such as Dark_Alex, are using to hack the console.

Let’s be realistic, to this date about 30 million consoles support the installation of a Custom Firmware. So it’s easy to find a second hand one with that will satisfy your needs. PSP 3000 does not have any improvement sufficient to justify the loss of the exploit and it would be absurd to close the kernel’s door to the devs on the PSP3000, and even future one, for as long as another exploit has not been discovered, giving us an alternative. “Patience and time grant more than strength and anger.”

Why showing it if you don’t give it to us?

That’s the million dollar question. We sincerely only wanted to please you and give hope to those with a PSP3000. It is also clear that Miriam was happy with this success and wanting to share such an achievement is understandable, right? If you had succeeded in doing something everyone deemed impossible, wouldn’t you have wanted to let it know? We did.
Even if we technically couldn’t share with everyone, we wanted to inform you about it. This decision still doesn’t seem to us as a bad one even to this day, especially since it did bring-up the wonderful school ground atmosphere of the PSP underground world.

Your thing was a fake anyway, that’s why you’re not giving it to us.

This comment was made in the early days, especially on US forums. That’s because the ISO launched was similar to the UMD inserted in the UMD slot. The controversy that followed eventually was able to convince these “bad-speaking” people that this was true, otherwise it would never have happened. CQFD.

Will this HEN be released on day?

Possibly. The day it will be possible to put it online without compromising the access to Kernel Mode. Basically, the day we will be able to use another exploit than the one used by Miriam. As we already explained, no exploit is brought forward without another one being available so that we can carry on. Otherwise it would be suicidal, no?
So unless there isn’t any other… it should happen. When? Patience

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  • Vider

    I call BS.

    I don’t really understand how releasing the kernel mode hack would compromise any further development of the hack. If Sony patches it in future updates, those developing a new hack would obviously not take the new update. Sounds a bit fishy.

    Maybe I don’t fully understand the situation. Someone should enlighten me.

    • http://pspslimhacks.com/ PSP-Fan

      I agree totally, why not just release what he has and the source code to at least get things started. This guy loves to tell us all about his PSP-3000 hack and release videos but how about a damn release and quit stalling? No point talking the talk if you can’t walk the walk…

      • Znupi

        You are both stupid. What if they release it now, Sony patches it, and it turns out the exploit can be used to install CFW? A lot of people who upgraded firmware would be pissed. They’re trying to avoid that. Their decision is right.

      • admiral

        no youre the stupid one Znupi… they cant just justify not giving out the mass’s whom are waiting for it, nothing because a few stupid noobs, decide they want the latest firmware… in addition when they release it anyways, it will be shortly after be patched by Sony… so why not now, then later?

      • Anonymous

        Uh, you seem to be reading things into it rather than reading it. I’ll post it to you once more, so take another good look:

        “Sony patched the exploit so give us the thing to launch the homebrews/ISOs (HEN)”

        This comment is the proof of a complete lack of knowledge on this subject. We’re going to try to be as clear as possible about this.

        The Gripshift gamesave exploit allows the launch of a code that doesn’t have the Sony signature even if the PSP is still on Official Firmware. It is with this exploit that it is possible to launch homebrews via the binary loader for Euro or US and it is also it that will allow team Noobz’s future eLoader to launch, which itself will be used to launch homebrews in user mode (see above).
        This exploit was patched in the firmware 5.03. As long as a PSP remains with a firmware prior to this one, this exploit will be active. So if you want to enjoy yourself do not update your PSP.
        The exploit used by Miriam to access Kernel Mode and install the HEN (Homebrew Enabler) is an exploit qui can not be made public for various reasons. If the current version of the HEN was made available online, which is what a good few are expecting, the kernel exploit used to install it would be patched straight away, like the Gripshift’s one. This Kernel exploit is way more valuable than the Gripshift’s and if Sony was to patch it this could be the end to the VIP access that some underground devs, such as Dark_Alex, are using to hack the console.

        Let’s be realistic, to this date about 30 million consoles support the installation of a Custom Firmware. So it’s easy to find a second hand one with that will satisfy your needs. PSP 3000 does not have any improvement sufficient to justify the loss of the exploit and it would be absurd to close the kernel’s door to the devs on the PSP3000, and even future one, for as long as another exploit has not been discovered, giving us an alternative. “Patience and time grant more than strength and anger.”

      • tom

        i get that sony will patch it. Just dont update to 5.04 then, just find a site that has the 5.02 update and do that. Sony does not have a way to force us to update to the lateset firmware version, its just the owners choice to which he wants to update and when. So i think they should spend a week or so posting a notices (on every site) not to upgrade to the newest one’s. then they should just realease the gripshift hen.

      • Daz

        Gripshift is already released and Sony already made it useless after FW 5.02, HEN can’t be released because even if their isn`t another practle way of hacking, at least a few can enjoy it.

        Who knows, it might be the key to 3000 system mods.

      • Daz

        … NVM im a noob

        sorry

      • http://www.xtreme-networks.tk Xtremegamer

        if you all want to play games on the latest firmware well…

        GO AHead and do it yourself, they arent obligated to do something.
        they are willing to give up free time in order to let the mass play. i find that kinda friendly :) if they ever need my help i’d be glade to.

        anyway, the point is. is not because you cant play right now, you have to blew it for everyone else by exposing this Access to the mass as most of them dont understand half of what said.

        ,Xtremegamer

  • deven

    okay so should i be a worried that i have a PSP2000 TA88-v3? :/

    should i wait or just sell it or try to trade it with someone elss T.T cuz tbh im loseing hope

  • SOME1

    i hope dax (or whoever makes the cfw’s) take away the ability to rum iso/cso’s cause of fags that think they’re cool dl’n games for free are killing the PSP

    then we wouldnt have to go through all this “trouble” to find these things and possibly sony will allow many of these homebrew apps/games cause didnt they say they were not worried bout homebrew but they were bout piracy?

    • admiral

      i disagree look at the wii

      twilight hack came out, it was FAR from a good exploit *at the time* and the only “piracy app” was Wad Manager, which could steal the same 60 or so classic games that we have all beat 100+ times blah blah blah, it was FAR from enough to say it was gonna become a huge deal… Homebrew channel got perfect, and nintendo was fighting it, till about 2 – 3 months ago *after 3 firmwares fighting it* there was the first, and VERY buggy ISO loader… even now the ISO loader is VERY BUGGY, but nintendo has been fighting them from the start!

      as long as you can in the future maybe get the power, they will remove it… and if Dax didnt someone else would add it, or make one with it

    • Defleckt

      Do you live in a relatively poor country? Or have you ever been to one?
      Noo?? oh my!! I do!
      Than pleeease shut the f*ck up!
      Thaaaaaaanks!:)

      Go find another site to declare your frustration about piracy or whatever you call it…

  • PSP ruler

    DAX really dosen’t have to do anything. The websites do :) . The websites have to delete all thier databases and shutdown their websites.

    • SOME1

      or that………

  • lol?

    “Patience and time grant more than strength and anger.”
    lol.. nice
    think of it…..
    if..
    the kernel thing released now..
    then sony patch it…’gg’
    then another exploit was found…
    very promising…
    but…
    the UG dev cannot access the kernel…
    because its patched..
    then people lost hope..
    at psp 3000 hack…
    got ppl eats heir console..
    becoz its hack-proof…
    so i think its BETTER to keep it private…
    or..
    psp-2000 also get patched kernel mode at further firmware..maybe?
    then we can see more consoles will be eaten..
    just wait…
    maybe kernel mode can dump our beloved..
    pre-ipl?
    maybe ¬.¬

  • vin

    All that shit! Just shut up till there´s a totally working CFW for PSP 3000. Then you can told us and explain us how to install it.

  • John

    Okay, let’s say for a moment that this guy is speaking the truth and they do have a valid PSP 3000 hack that they do not wish to share so it will not get fixed by Sony in future releases.

    Sony will have its experts looking for that private exploit like crazy. If they don’t find it they might contact you, with a nice tempting offer to compensate on your findings.
    If that’s what you’re hoping for, I can’t blame you but get lost.

    Most probable scenario is that Sony will find that exploit, patch it with an update and make all next PSPs immune. By that time, it would make sense to release that precious exploit but a lot less people will appreciate it.

    So from that statement I got:
    a) He’s rather waiting for Sony to make a juicy offer for that exploit
    b) He’s waiting for Sony to find it on its own
    c) He really thinks he can find another before Sony patches it and/or patch another and/or release a brand new psp with a whole set of different weaknesses.

    • KG6ZVP

      I agree with you 100%.

      • roxas

        i 2nd.

    • pratesh

      i disagree with you. If sony is able to find exploits in the OFW and then release a patch, then these hackers or whoever create these CFW can study this update and see how it differs from the previous. By so doing, they will be able to pinpoint various software weaknesses in the old OFW.
      This may seem stupid to some but its basic reverse engineering. As such a proper cfw will be easy to develop and could be used by those who did not update to sony’s newest OFW.

      • John

        If Sony actually patches ONLY the exploit in question, it won’t do any good to the hackers since they already know(or claim) how it works. Sony has already released some patches for the 3000 and we don’t know if the Gripshift exploit is one of them. Also, I am certain that most exploits were patched by Sony without any of the hackers ever finding them. That’s the reason for frequent patch releases. These patches do not really help the hackers.

        On another note, the game Gripshift already costs >$50. By the time the actual hack is released, you can be certain that a lot of psp 3000 owners will be left without that game while it’s price will be around $100.

        Another assumption regarding the exploit and it’s founder is that he maybe doesn’t want to release it so he doesn’t help Sony patch it. If that’s the case, the patch will be released when Sony actually patches the 3000 or releases the 4000, and yes that may take a while.

  • kazuya 420

    vin antapang mo naman.. ikaw kaya ang mag hack ng psp 3000? atat kna eh, kala mo kung sino ka, ikaw ang gumawa ng paraan at ndi yang salita ka ng salita, yabang mo ahh, wala ka naman nagagawa katulad nila, MAGHINTAY KA NA LANG!! \m/

    • kengil

      you right kazuya 420 ..

    • KG6ZVP

      Bist du shreiben Svenske? oder Norweegish?

  • d u b b

    patience….. i got 10 dolllaaa sayin this’ll be out before spring break…

    • http://pspslimhacks.com/ PSP-Fan

      Lets hope so

  • d u b b

    well no, gripshift costs alot more than that now doesnt it..

    • http://pspslimhacks.com/ PSP-Fan

      Well more like over 100 USD

      • Menos

        but i got one off ebay last week for $24…….

      • tom

        got it last week at gamestop for $9 US dollars and it works.

  • gurbz

    why do I have a feeling half the people who commented only cared about pirating the crap.

    • KG6ZVP

      Because, in my humble, amateur opinion, this is how it works. “vin” posted:

      “All that shit! Just shut up till there´s a totally working CFW for PSP 3000. Then you can told us and explain us how to install it.”

      It is comments like this one (not to pick on vin, of course) that represent a large constituent in the homebrew community. This group is a group made up of end-users who do not contribute anything.

      I am afraid that I must put myself in that group as well. My only contribution to PSPslimhacks has been a video converter. Unfortunately, that doesn’t do anything for the homebrew community.

      Being that I am a consumer and not a producer, I endeavor to have more respect for those who are more knowledgeable than I.

      To go back to vin’s comment, he represents a group of people who are not only end-users, but do not care, even in a small capacity, to learn anything of how the producers produce.

      • John

        In general I agree to the whole “give and you shall receive” idea. The thing is though, that these underground communities are not for l33t hackers only but they depend on the vast majority of noobs that “need” the knowledge of the very few. So before we all say “stfu noobs”, we should understand that these noobs are the reason these communities exist. Without them, communities would be as large as 100 hackers and noone would give a fuck about them.

    • Jenifer

      Bastard

  • phoenix1414

    OMG can you guys just fucking chill? unless you can find a way to hack it have some patience.

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  • .ISO

    Release it or gtfo

  • ARPIT

    thanx for the latest updates, recently i own a psp3000, started using it, i copied few mp3′s in music folder, but i couldn’t run it. Then i deleted using psp options, unfortunately the songs didn’t deleted from the memory stick. it was still there, now it works fine. waiting for custom firmaware…

    • d u b b

      u should make sure ur mp3′s are in X:\PSP\MUSIC\
      all ur folders in ur psp need to be in caps, and they cant be misspelled (not sayin u did). Dunno whats the deal with the files not deletin though, the only problem i have with my mp3′s is that they get corrupted randomly.

      • rimi sen

        Dubb u r just a fucking bastard
        that’s y u r a big f……

  • Confused

    I am being patient about this whole thing but i really wish there was a way to hack the psp 3000 without gripshift.I mean lets be realistic, the game is 100 dollars+ on most websites and its a really old game so its gonna be really really really hard to find in eb or gamestop etc.

  • hykung

    PSP 3000 haked or not?
    can run homebrew?
    me still confuse!

    • PSP3000owner

      mee 2 :(

    • d u b b

      not yet

  • PSP lover

    I love the PSP and I am hoping that someone can find a psp 3000 hack some time in the near future. This being said, I think that if the hack is not complete magixien or whoever found the exploit should have kept it to themselves. They should just stop posting until the hack is complete and it is ready to be used. As for the new official firmware, I dont think it’s a big threat, just don’t update your PSP to 5.03 firmware and everything will be fine.

    • Jenifer

      Bastard…Bastard
      fuck your mother

      • d u b b

        how’s he being a bastard? he made a good point. if pspgen didnt release that video so early into progress we wouldn’t have OFW 5.03 already (the one that fixes the gripshift exploit). alotta people probably already update not knowing so, so theyre fucked, for now at least, but that could have been avoidable if they kept their mouths shut till it was nearly released.

      • rani

        Dubb
        U r also bastard n fuck ur mom n sister

    • Dubb

      PSP Lover, ur mom is asking me for love!
      Y u not fucking her n pressing her boobs

      tell her that now i m busy so now i can’t fuck ur mother

      will fuck ur sister….

  • sipu

    Please release it buddy

  • ram

    I think he want some money from sony…
    Thats y he is not releasing it
    I hav the gripshift umd us
    if ny 1 interested in buying it imform me
    Don’t be dependent on these liers

  • rani

    I m still confused whether psp3000 is hacked or not!
    I thing it is just a fake marketting strategy to sell Gripshift umd from these guys

  • Jenifer

    I agree totally, why not just release what he has and the source code to at least get things started. This guy loves to tell us all about his PSP-3000 hack and release videos but how about a damn release and quit stalling? No point talking the talk if you can’t walk the walk…
    Thay are bastards n thinks that we all r fool
    Actually my boyfriend is working in sony n he told me that these are all just a marketting pocicy/strategy by UMD makers

    But in reality, PSP3000 is not hacked till date

    • d u b b

      i doubt it, its kinda random… i mean, if it was a marketing strategy, they’d still be selling it at the 10+ local game stores ive checked, and most people are getting the game through ebay now, so the money isnt really going to Sidhe Interactive, or any of the publishing companies… but thats only my area, i dunno if gripshift is still in stock where u are

    • Basket

      zzz,cmon cant you just chill out because its the real deal and if i was you,i wont trust a person from sony

      • Dubb

        Then send your sister to that Place to be fucked…

  • mani

    well
    i was working on PSP 3000 hacking since last november..
    and guess wot i got??
    while update hardware checks the hash code. in case of 3000 it also checks the bit size of the signature as well as initial bits of ofw..
    keeping that in mind.. and dissambing the ofw while altering ofw to cfw and
    editing kernel so that it always do the same as ofw kernel do but also, it run the homebrew apps..
    and i tried it ofw 5.0 and cfw 5.0
    and guess wot..
    now i m able to run iso;s on my psp 3000

    • Dubb

      Fuck ur sister lier

  • Greek

    show us! make us believers!

    • Dubb

      First u show your Mother fucking video…

  • d u b b

    even if Maxigen or whoever hacked or didnt hack it, chill, cause either way, hackers here n there’ve been makin progress, itll eventually be released within the months, maybe weeks coming. Hell who knows, noone was expecting Maxigen to release this, everyone was bankin on DAX, maybe someone else will come outta nowhere with something better than a video. Just dont shit bricks over a psp mod. =D

  • rani

    If Maxigen or whoever hacked or didnt hack it, then why they r not releasing it..
    Even i agree that these r just a marketting strategies from those few fuckers…
    They didn’t hacked it that’s y not releasing it

  • d u b b

    ok some angry lil bitch is posting under my name, bitching at people. plz dont take none of that shit seriously everyone. anyways, to the person doing this, get a fuckin life you hermit. To everyone else, keep ur psp-3000′s on ya, cause im sure this mod will be realeased soon =D . I wont be posting here anymore.

  • Hiky

    If it was just a marketing strategy then Sony wouldn’t be making firmware updates to patch the exploit. I think the hack is real but it’s just not complete, so as long as it’s not complete it can’t be released. If it is complete than I think magexien should just release it and stop posting stupid videos that aren’t any help to the psp comunity.

    • Basket

      agreed,and i could say that some bitch people cant chill out already and say the video is fake

  • Hiky

    I am PSP lover

  • Basket

    Hiky! Fuck ur mom

  • Hiky

    screw u basket

  • Basket

    bastard,dont copy my name you crap

  • http://abcd.com dUdonG

    u di pHota ka gahod sa inyo..hulat lang bala..

  • Basket

    Hiky..
    bastard
    Don’t copy my name

  • http://abcd.com dUdonG

    do what ever u like?!!!

  • Requiem

    I hope they release something until Easter bcoz in my country some games cost like 200 and its daaamn expensive to buy games ppl living like in USA and UK dont understand our situation…

    • Basket

      malaysia?

      • Requiem

        No, Lithuania, look at the game prices:

        http://www.bms.lt/lt/catalog/listing/?cid=209;3#bb

        It’s really damn expensive… And my 11 year-old cousin just bought a PSP, she gets about 100 per year for her birthday and Christmas, so she can buy about 1 game per year with her savings LOL

      • Basket

        lawl..in malaysia,the psp games cost from 150-300

  • Hack_Master

    Every one I think some people like sony are stupid you can use a usb and a cheat engine and then hack into 3000 and vuala to prove it look it getting downloaded and working on you-tube

  • Basket

    …i think i should stop talking to some people in this web already because some of them cant be trusted already(i smell spy from sony)

  • Kamiya

    Hi basket!!!
    will psp hen-a will ever release?

  • doom312

    patience…

  • http://www.killercodes.tk KillerJohn

    I think I’m the biggest noob ever I don’t get anything at all, I hope one day I will understand this bs.

  • Kamiya

    I hav the psp us version gripshift…
    Can ny 1 please tell me that hen-a will work on us version when it will release?

    Dying to know answer….

  • lostie

    So uhm do we give up on the HEN loader bein relased, the dude pretty much said he wants 2 keep the access to kernal mode code to himself and away from Sony till therez an approriate time to relase it. Which is gonna be never, no offense. As arrogant and vigilant as sony is they’ll always relase new firmware to combat us from accessing the true potential of our PSP’s. The best we can do IS NOT UPDATE USING OFFICAL SONY FIRMWARE!! LOL!. But it is partly Sony’s fault for not letting us do what we want with our PSP’s. If they wanted 2 stop PSP piracy so bad why dun they just stop us from running ISO’s instead of locking us out of the cool world of the PSP and limiting us to their approved titles *sighs*. Why can’t embrace homebrew like Apple has with its app store. Offering free homebrewn products

    • ram

      agree with u

  • slimer9282

    if they released the HEN software you gonna able to play iso/cso games but still you have to used the UMD gripshift to enable access to game right? but gripshift was if am not mistake it was released on lately 2004 and now its 2009 gripshift was allready out of stock. like what they said patience,patience,patience we have to wait because its not like that to released a software think that sony is not a small company i think if that happens the perue the HEN team for doing that.

  • ram

    I hav the psp us version gripshift…
    Can ny 1 please tell me that hen-a will work on us version when it will release?
    Dying to know answer….
    Or it will work on only euro version?

  • Nar

    lostie is a mother fucker

  • Sno0pY

    so when do you think this hack will be released? xD

  • SAL

    fuck!

  • SAL

    It will never release…
    So stop posting on this article now

  • ssj5pb

    you’re probably right, well atleast not by the ones showing vids, i mean i could be wrong, but notice how the only thing out is a fucking vid? no progress update, not even any posts worth reading, just excuses, i mean hey that’s cool if they’re wasting time on 5mins of fame, but i’d imagine if anyone will do it, I’d assume it’ll just pop up out of nowhere, i wouldn’t even be suprised if someone bribed sony to get it. hell i gotta ta088v3 slim, i buy my games, but for the people in countries that can’t afford the games really need it. well i hope DA releases something cause i’m almost certain by now he’s already cracked it:>

    • help me

      someone help me downgrade my psp to 5.02 again

      • ssj5pb

        what official firmware did you upgrade 2?
        and what kind of psp do u have?